can give you a chart of the arson in the city. i can give you a chart of the blight in the city. but i can't tell you what it is like to be a person living next door to a home that then has burned down and -- so -- >> or an empty block. >> yeah. tell me, talk to me about what that kind of real life experience feels like on the ground. >> i still have many relatives that live in the city of detroit and i look at how -- i know i work at espn but i'm not like that. i look at what's happened to their neighborhoods. it used to be a source of pride where you could shop in your own neighborhoods and feel comfortable and safe, and that has all been eliminated because the population has shrunk, people have moved out, and because of the economic forces, you wrote about a couple of these cases in the book and unfortunately, everybody who is from detroit knows someone who does this, but if you get underwater in your house, the first solution is burn it down, get the insurance money. so you have a lot of people, it's a huge problem. you have p